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Stephanie T's avatar

Thank you for talking about many of the aspects of marriage. Please tell me if these words are your own, and if so, may I print them out and frame them in hopes that my sons will take the time to read them at some point? If they are from Puddleglum or from you, I want to be sure to give credit where it is due.

"Suppose we have only dreamed, or made up, all those things—true love, holy marriage, trustworthy intimacy, sacrificial joy, the sun and moon and God himself. Suppose we have. Then all I can say is that, in that case, the made-up things seem a great deal more important than the real ones."

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Melody Lyons's avatar

Thank you, Stephanie. I slightly changed Puddlglum’s words to reflect my thoughts on marriage. The original quote from the book is earlier in the article so you can compare them and see where i have taken liberties with Lewis' writing.

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Nicole's avatar

Thank you!!! So, so tired of the Tim Gordon “theology bros” brand of “trad Catholicism”! He gives traditional Catholicism a bad name. He’s been off-putting since he first appeared on Matt Fradd years ago, but I feel like he’s gotten louder and more popular ever since. He says things that sound like Islam treatment of women but then proof-texts scripture or pulls out a line of Aristotle to make it all sound Catholic or traditional. Anyway, I am really happy to see that other people see this stuff as just the other side of the feminist coin! Thanks for writing this and I look forward to reading the coming things you write on it.

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Kristen R's avatar

Love the connection between the Knowles/Davis interview at the Silver Chair. That was really irritating me but I hadn’t yet articulated why

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Louise (the mother)'s avatar

Thank you for this! I agree with you about the Knowles interview with Pearl too. My one confusion with your article was your use of “red-pilled” for the dark, nihilistic view of the world—I have always heard that as “black-pilled”. When you go to Pearl I saw your meaning because I have heard her view of women and marriage.

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Melody Lyons's avatar

Thank you! Yes, the language is confusing because terms have changed meaning over time and have also been co-opted by different groups for their own purposes. Black pilled certainly applied here, but people like Pearl align with the red pill term. I thought about it before writing and concluded the language is part of the mainstreaming of these ideas. Language and ideas become enmeshed until predation looks noble (Tate) and misogyny looks reasonable (Pearl). So the red and the black become enmeshed.

Is my use of red pill the most accurate historically? I don't know. It's clearly a malleable term. But it is widely in use by those who distort the truth and goodness of marriage, especially in Christian circles. So that's why I chose to use it. Thank you so much for the question. :)

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